David is a psychopathic robot who will say do anything I sincerely hope no one here feels warm and cuddly about that. Personally I felt they both made the film in their different ways. I also think that analysis is incorrect A C had to get the Xenomorph front and centre to see off A 5 and Ridley saw the interest in A 5 as a reaction to not having the Xeno I am fairly certain he now knows he was correct in the first instance. The reasons that Elizabeth and the Engineers were nixed was repositioning for the Xeno nothing more nothing less.
I Moon Girl to further accentuate the originality of Alien Covenant we have:. Actually that would be a cool way for David to meet his demise Gravity sucks! Taking your first comments to me, and what I supposed is heavy sarcasm in the second comments taken into consideration, I can see where there are similarities to Alien:Covenant and the rest of the franchise.
I'm not sure I get your Point 2. Point 3 just seems, to me, to be more of a necessity of the private and public accessibility of space travel. Any large ship is going to HAVE to have some kind of small ship to go to a planet. I don't consider Point 3 to be a similarity.
A:C, to me, is different than other movies in the franchise because we get more of a philosophical and musing approach that seems to drive the basis of the story. Still, seeing the Xeno in action is only a quarter of the movie or so. I guess the Neomorph is kind of acting in the Xeno's place, but the big difference in A:C is that David is in the mix. So, David brings the colonists into protection and then the Neomorph problem is essentially gone and David gets to run the story. Eventually the Neomorph comes back into play, but it eventually gets shot down and the story moves back to David driving it again.
In A:C, we get more of a anatomical gore that is a part of the franchise, but hasn't been at this level and especially in the way it was shown in A:C. In previous movies, the anatomical gore was more of learning from what exists like in the facehugger dissections.
In A:C, we see a mad scientist who's goes even madder as the movie goes on. We also get to listen to David and is highly arrogant and superior attitude which is heavily influenced by philosophy, poetry, art, science, and culture and we get to observe his clever, well-thought out actions. In a sense, he's kind of like a Renaissance Man, similar to his "father". The last time we got anything close to this was in Alien3, yet those persons were more religious, while David is more of a self-proclaimed god.
Still, if it's one way of making a movie out of the whole franchise, I can love it for what it is I think it's a good decision to make the movies in a large franchise different is some ways because ALIEN would never work as a franchise if the same things just get repeated over and over again.
Still, I have to admit that A:C is probably my least favorite of the franchise at the moment. Still, it's only a little over a year old too, so things could change. I Moon Girl Maybe poets are artists are arrogant, but philosophy which kind of philosophy did you even see there? And judging about that he mis-understands Ozymandias not only misquotes it and even Lawrence of Arabia, where a strange guy tries to help people in need, he is perfectly ok with killing them, so I guess, ultimately he does not understand it also.
And what about his clever plan. Rotting away in his private hell, alone even if he seemed to long for companionship which he raped and killed. He send a message from a cloaked planet, so people would stumble there by chance, have an Synth who looks just like him even thought there were more than 70 years before there creation dates.
How convenient that in the future there will be no face-lifts for products, even though the previous generation had problems exactly the same that were between Ash and Bishop In short this plan is a series of lucky coincidences. I think it was simply a scene meant to demonstrate the Engineers' capabilities and pivotal role in life itself. It could have just as likely have been Earth as it could have been Paradise as it could have been literally ANY other planet the Engineers seeded life upon.
I see it as a general but important scene demonstrating the Engineers essentially liquefying their own DNA into a reverse-pathogen seeding life throughout the universe Michael's delivery of the Ozymandias lines come across to me in the first person and thats not helped by him uttering them before he releases the Urns in "The Crossing.
Shelley meets a traveller who tells him the story and offers him the revelation of the inscription. The people recounting the tale are observing not participating.
So one traveller can offer it another but neither are responsible. He is a changed man, humbled seeking peace. The narrative in LOA is then driven by Allenby's and Fiesel's manipulations before he is finally free whereas the narrative of A-C begins with his recovery in Elizabeth care not dissimilar to Ali's role.
If a robot is obsessed by a movie character and finds his own narrative in him and is fascinated by a real person so much that he interrogates her sub conscious then that should mean something in the narrative and if it no longer does then why.
Certainly Michelle.. I certainly think Dr Shaw was our Proxy, maybe i am confusing what a Proxy means so forgive me So then Shaws Findings would kind of Contradict her Faith Which after the Discovers she found out, left her with some Answers and so as to not keep going on She would have been who we can connect with for those answers, and its a SHAME she was killed off, because its hard to put someone else in this Role Now With Dr Shaw Killed off, and those Engineers but leaving a little bit of clues, it appears those Themes and Philosophies are not important no more and all that is I look forwards to your work, as it appears those Questions may not be answered in the Future, or at least not how Prometheus had set up.
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It is weird and not very thought out" Certainly i interpreted the Goo a certain way not long after seeing Prometheus , it helped me to make some sense of what i thought was going on Michelle Johnston Chestburster Member XP Jul PM This is science fiction so you can make facts work overtime to provide you with an extension which is thought provoking. The story messages of the opening scene of Prometheus are :- 1 This a world where life is created out of a construct and there are two elements a catalyser and an acolyte you need both to kick start.
To give some examples a In - the Engineers had a fall and all hell broke lose. Out - we have no idea what their home world is like.
The story, the mythos turns on those issues. Looking at it positively or what should have been. People need answers then build not sideways shuffle. Less David more David less Xeno more Xeno less Engineers more Engineers is to miss the point we needed : 1 A powerful cohesive narrative. BigDave Deacon Member XP Aug AM Indeed your very right that there should have been a Coherent and thought out Plan, we just dont know what that Original Plan was because it appears as if a lot of things are being changed on the fly, and so there is a lot of Evolution to the Story, too many cooks in the Kitchen and what not But Alas There is substantial narrative potential with the following:- 1 Elizabeth Shaws search for her answers and thats the simple version of whats happening with Elizabeth.
BigDave Deacon Member XP Aug PM "is it more likely that this scene, assuming its on earth, took place after the extinction of the dinosaurs? This could explain the effect on the Engineers in the Bombardment i suppose. Prometheus was arguably one of the most anticipated movies of the last decade, but the final product proved divisive. The movie received good reviews for being an ambitious blockbuster asking interesting questions, some of the setpieces — like Shaw's gruesome alien cesarean — proved Scott still had a knack for horror, and Michael Fassbender was praised for his turn as android David.
That said, the prequel drew flak for featuring unlikeable characters who often made baffling decisions and being an awkward mesh between high minded sci-fi and trashy B-movie. The movie was still a financial hit and ended on a tantalizing cliffhanger where lone human survivor Shaw Noomi Rapace jets off with the severed head of David to find the Engineer homeworld, and learn why they hate mankind. Prometheus 2 was supposed to follow Shaw's continuing adventures — but those who've seen Alien: Covenant will know that plans changed dramatically in the five-year gap between movies.
Scott's interest shifted to the journey of sociopathic A. David, and Shaw was sidelined as a result. However, an early draft of Covenant by writer John Logan provided more of a bridge between the two movies and filled in a lot of blanks for those upset with Shaw's eventual fate. In the years between Prometheus and Alien: Covenant , Scott would provide the occasional hint of where the story was heading, but some of his comments could be contradictory.
He claimed for a long time the Alien definitely wouldn't appear - only to confirm it would before production began. Shortly after Prometheus , the director teased the sequel would have found Shaw and David reaching the Engineer homeworld, which Scott called " Paradise" - only to find the planet is anything but. Was it a test? Or an alarm designed to notify them of mankind's development of space travel? File under 'movie characters do dumb shit'. Prometheus is full of moments in which characters' motivations are unclear or absurd and it's probably not worth dwelling on them beyond recognising that, well, the script is very patchy.
See also: Why wouldn't the crew check out the alien landscape before exploring unarmed? Why would they remove their helmets in an alien atmosphere? Why would they plunge their fingers in alien goo or try to pet an alien snake monster?
Why wouldn't you run sideways when a wheel-shaped spaceship is rolling towards on you? We could go on. Contact with the alien goo seems to have a range of effects: the engineer at the beginning more or less crumbles to dust; it seems to cause worms to mutate into snakelike creatures; one crew member becomes a marauding zombie-like monster while another apparently absorbs the substance into his DNA, resulting in Elizabeth being impregnated with what seems to be a rudimentary facehugger, which somehow grows to enormous size and then impregnates an engineer with what turns out to be a rudimentary Alien… It's all awfully muddled.
The most charitable conclusion is that this is seriously protean stuff capable of speedy adaptation to suit whatever environment and host it comes across. It seems bonkers to cast a young man as an old man — it's not as if Ridley Scott was short of options for the older gentleman and Pearce spends the whole movie clad in prosthetic wrinkles. That seems a relatively small reason to influence the casting of the film itself, but perhaps Scott is keeping his options open for flashback sequences in a possible sequel?
It's his ship and his expedition, after all — and even if he wanted to keep his involvement secret ahead of time, why not reveal his presence to his employees once they'd been woken from hypersleep? It's not like they'd be going anywhere. Perhaps he just doesn't like socialising? It seems somewhat rash of David the android to deliberately infect one of his fellow crew members with alien goo. Is he just working out the robo-resentments he seems to nurse against his human fellow travellers?
It seems more likely that this is part of Weyland's plan to harness the power of the goo in the service of his own immortality. If so, Holloway's fate offers a pretty good reason to hold off. Even by the standards of science fiction, the idea of someone having their belly sliced open while conscious, watching the removal of a baby-sized squid monster, getting stapled up and immediately being in fit shape to barrel around, running and fighting, is outlandish.
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